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Robert Kirkman vs. Brian Michael Bendis: From Baltimore Comic-Con!

Wednesday, October 1st, 2008 – running time 1:08:34
Robert Kirkman vs. Brian Michael Bendis: From Baltimore Comic-Con!
Robert Kirkman and Brian Michael Bendis meet face to face in Baltimore to debate creator-owned comics!

It all began when fan-favorite writer and new Image Comics partner Robert Kirkman posted a video manifesto calling on more established comic book creators to leave Marvel and DC Comics behind and make creator-owned comics. That lead to a pointed response from fan-favorite writer and Marvel Comics mainstay Brian Michael Bendis on the Word Balloon podcast.

And then the comic book internet world ripped in half.

On September 27, 2008 Robert Kirkman and Brian Michael Bendis met face-to-face on a dias at the Baltimore Comic-Con to bring the debate in person and in front of a standing room only crowd. They discussed everything from their own impoverished beginnings in creator-owned comics to the current sales of their own work to the effect that mainstream exposure has on independent work. It's the most talked about comic book panel of the year!

Who do you think won the debate?

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Started discussion: October 1, 2008 @ 12:31pm GMT

Episode 90 - Robert Kirkman vs. Brian Michael Bendis: From Baltimore! [Discussion]

Robert Kirkman and Brian Michael Bendis meet face to face in Baltimore to debate creator-owned comics!

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It all began when fan-favorite writer and new Image Comics partner Robert Kirkman posted a video manifesto calling on more established comic book creators to leave Marvel and DC Comics behind and make creator-owned comics. That lead to a pointed response from fan-favorite writer and Marvel Comics mainstay Brian Michael Bendis on the Word Balloon podcast.

And then the comic book internet world ripped in half.

On September 27, 2008 Robert Kirkman and Brian Michael Bendis met face-to-face on a dias at the Baltimore Comic-Con to bring the debate in person and in front of a standing room only crowd. They discussed everything from their own impoverished beginnings in creator-owned comics to the current sales of their own work to the effect that mainstream exposure has on independent work. It's the most talked about comic book panel of the year!

lik
9 months ago
holy shit.
gobo
9 months ago
Great show.

I keep feeling like people are arguing points that Kirkman isn't even bringing up and it's frustrating.

Also it was cool to see paper, madmarvelgirl and of course the bear hug at the end.
Tad
9 months ago

iFanboy!

Awesome, awesome, awesome that you guys got to post the video. Hope it brings lots of new people aboard. (If you're one of those, welcome aboard and check out the cool columns at iFanboy.com)

Great seeing this but I think the lack of trade numbers would make a big difference because if I'm reading Bendis stuff and really liking it I would most likely buy the first TRADE of Powers to check it out, not a random single issue. So my theory is that mainstream stuff does boost the other projects of the creators but most likely the difference would show up in the trades. (based on no figures, internet or otherwise).
oh_caroline
9 months ago
I haven't rewatched this yet, but I did think the whole chart discussion in the ending was frustrating. That was a lot of energy going into 'proving' an ancillary point (and trying to prove it with incomplete numbers, as everybody from Bendis on down has pointed out).

I think it's hard to seriously argue that the name recognition involved in writing a Big Two book *doesn't* help creator-owned sales, up to a certain point. The real question Kirkman seems to be raising is when creators should stop relying on that boost and just go make their own books. That's a good question, and it's hard to answer.
gobo
9 months ago
I would definitely love to see completed versions of those charts to see what the real situation is.
Tad
9 months ago
Kirkman was trying to disprove Bendis's point that his work on Marvel Zombies was part of the reason Walking Dead is successful. The chart shows no big boost during or immediately after his Marvel work. (again, I feel the difference if any would show in trade sales). Another point of his manifesto was that an audience wouldn't check out a creator's indy work if they could get it in the mainstream books. His first chart sorta shows that. He said it shows a leveling off during his Marvel work but didn't connect it to his manifesto point.


Both men have said creators should do creator owned work when they're hot, while they're doing mainstream. That's when to guide the fans to your other work.
gobo
9 months ago
I think the only really worthwhile chart was the internet vs. real numbers one.

Kirkman was talking about directional trends in books and it showed that it doesn't matter whether you use internet numbers for that.
esophagus
9 months ago
I feel like without trade sales the whole argument was just kind of useless.

But regardless, I think they're both making two separate points in two separate arguments. Bendis seemed to make most of his argument about starting out, and Kirkman is mostly talking about people already famous. Which are very different scenarios. Oh well.

A really good panel, nice episode, but I'm pretty much over the Kirkman Manifesto.
hank41
9 months ago
i really appreciate you guys getting the BEST coverage of this event. great jobs guys, and a great show
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